and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Beyonder 73%. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. 0. He actually eradicated Death, and was not bound by any rules, anything really, with his power. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pre-Retcon Superman. Multi-Eternity. 9 years ago. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. 2. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. Holo-Man • 3 yr. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. trolls can call other people trolls. • 1 year ago. Mr. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). no. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. Super Power Score and Level. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. 0. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. I think he wins this. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. And since he gave his power to. All the previous ones have been way too lopsided or at power levels lower than this (discounting preretcon beyonder and MM's clash) Cyclops really disappointed though. ProfessorRespect. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. 9 years ago. But This Gaunlet is way out of order, why the heck is Odin and Zeus above Molecule Man. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. 9: Dr. He has both well feats and statements. Beyonder: Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Beyonder Doom 14. Takes place in the beyond verse, pre retcon beyonder has summoned his retconned versions to battle each other to. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. But it doesn't end there. Forum Posts. Thank you. I really can't be asked to go. 0. They do things that are abtract and non-sensical, but quite frankly so does Beyonder so it's a coin flip imo. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Gen. The Life-force is powerful than The Beyonder's power. Nope. #1 Omega48. Beyonder. FIN7 • 5 July 2018 • User blog:FIN7. But, that was in regard to a. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Pre-Retcon Molecule man can't stop, and even scratch Pre-retcon Beyonder. New Comics. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. The Beyonder can't do anything to this level of OP shit. Super Power Score and Level. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. That's all there is to it. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. Round 1: Pre Retcon. Bat Manhattan has all his current power as of the last issue from DC Comics. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Pre-retcon beyonder vs Dr manhattan Thread starter BBNicky; Start date Apr 18, 2021; BBNicky. No one. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. The result of an. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. Galactus Fused 23. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. JuliusTakalua. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. 6 years ago. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). -5. HeartLesS 14 d . Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. The level is set when. ago. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. Super Power Score and Level. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. RRPanther • 7 mo. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. 3. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. there are tons of ways to argue. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. 11. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. Wiki Points. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should been banned because he's pretty much unbeatable, though I consider Pre-Retcon Molecule Man to be beatable so I used he for this thread. Gen. I mean he is so omnipotent yet it looks like he can't seem to understand that to dress up you need the lights on. " Classic Beyonder would defeat COIE Anti Monitor and Spectre ( at Peak. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. 4 years ago. If Living Tribunal is infinite multiversal, Beyonder far transcends him, how are both infinite universal unless one is logically on a higher level of power. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely stronger than the entire Marvel Multiverse, Phoenix Force is only the sum of all life in the multiverse (although never ever depicted anywhere near this level). “Luffy is MFTL and Large Planet level” shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up. CitizenSentry. Black Celestial Galactus (not sure). Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. -. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. Pre-retcon, he's a multiversal reality warper and does things like tear the multiverse up on accident . Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. pre-retcon Beyonder. 2. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. -Both sides have a week of prep. . Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. GEB=Anti Pressence. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined. on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Super Power Score and Level. Although marvel uses numbers to calculate; it's as if he's Alef Null x Billion beyond infinity that already exist, which Tribunal and many others have already transcended. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. 1 Answer Sorted by: 9 There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. We knew this but Galactus is less than a fly to Beyonder, this is after but one show of power from Beyonder. the_doctor. Forum Posts. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 20. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Forum Posts. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. jwwprod. 111 results. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. But it wont be easy by no means. Going by Cosmology Tiering. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. A Time Lords) from the. In terms of power levels, this list is pretty accurate though. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Metaphysical power sets, hax (Well, can consider both the same if you want, since Gilgamesh's hax adheres to metaphysical power sets) Beyonder has simply no resistence against, surperior cosmology. Jan 29, 2017. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. 10 years ago. #28 ovy7. 0. on. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. #28 ovy7. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Didn't Hom scarlet witch got switched to planet level twice so she isn't. g: Hulk (strongest variant), Sargeras. See: Secret Wars In order to satisfy his feeling, Beyonder began a experiment where he would take many heroes and villains of Earth and put them to a test to better understand the concept of good, evil and desire. But basically Dr. the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. ago. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. ago. Imagine that as a drop of water. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. She/Her. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. Thanos wins. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Earth 691 Beyonder. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. Forum Posts. VS. Additional comment actions. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. 8 years ago. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. Wiki Points. Fight till death. Something ppl get wrong. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. Dude’s absolutely broken. 4 years ago. Yeah. #18 Edited By Kingant27. Im pretty much clueless on DB and its power levels; but, i cant picture pre retcon beyonder having any difficulties with dragon ball verse characters. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. 3. The Beyonder and Molecule manage to make their way to the DC universe, Beyonder threatens to destroy creation. 11. cweaver • 7 yr. Be careful man, soon the Lucifer fanboys will come out and lecture you about how Lucifer will curbstomp every single fictional being. Scales nowhere. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Apr 8, 2018. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. Powers and Stats. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid, etc. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. R1 - Beyonder godstomps effortlessly, he's millions of times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse, which is infinitely bigger than Dragon Ball's multiverse. He took many heroes, including. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. #17. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. ago. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. ago. Oct 21, 2006 #2 Yeah there was a few threads about just how powerful pre-retcon beyonder is. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. We have an exact power level for Freezer at that point in the story as well, without needing to look at external sources. eternityx. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. He holds the power millions of times greater than the multiverse and it's forces combined. #1 Edited By slacker the hacker. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. 66. Forum Posts. ago. I also added scans and references. HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. Share to. VS. Levels of power on the forum are determined for the most part by the feats shown by the combatants. So I might be missing something. How you interpret that is irrelevant. #13 AgentofChaos1. 7: Old Lord Thanos. #1. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. Even The. Queen Of Never 25. Classic Doctor Strange has 3 months of prep. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. . There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. 10 years ago. 2. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. The infinite Marvelverse was stated to be like a drop of water in an ocean compared to PR Beyonder's power. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. The time lords are at their best. Follow 4132. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. 0. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. As we can recall he was retconned, meaning most of his feats did not occur. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. LT. Loki God Of Stories 17. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Powers are basically the same thing. He doesn't actually receive any extra power from the Presence. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 14 years ago. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Forums. Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. Nope. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. I don't know the specifics of how post-retcon Beyonder was nerfed, but the other two rounds are stomps in favor of Beyonder. 8 years ago. He wouldn't be. Surface Wiper Tier: Able to destroy the surface of a planet or wipe out all life on a world [E. 0. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. give evidence of who wins. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. 1. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. I forget her name. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before.